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  • Hello, I am a descendant of John Weslie Hyde and am trying to find information about his family. He was born in South Carolina about 1927 died in Cobb County, Georgia about 1912. He was my 2nd Great grandfather. Do you have information about which Hyde line he descended from?

    Terry Gunn

  • Terry, that’s a challenging question to answer. Usually we reply offline but I’d like to see if anyone can add to what we currently know. John Wesley Hide/Hyde was born circa 1827 in most likely Greenville but possibly Spartanburg, SC in 1827. There were two John Hydes born in those areas that year, and both appear in the 1850 census in different states. John Wesley Hyde married Mary A. Duvall/Davall in GA after 1855.

    One John Hide appears in the 1850 census for Greenville, SC, living with Thomas Hide and his wife Mary. This is a census that often appears in family trees for John Wesley, and is the right birth year, birth place and first name John. But he’s a different John. There’s evidence to suggest that he is John B. Hide/Hyde, son of Thomas, and that he continued to live in Greenville through at least 1880.

    John W. Hyde is believed to be the son of Hiram Hyde (various spellings for him, including Harmon Hede in 1830 census; appears that given name might have been Reubin/Reuben Hiram Hide) and Nancy Lenderman. John Hyde appears in the 1850 census for Division 19, Coweta, GA, living with the Nix family (Emily Lenderman Nix was a cousin of Nancy). Next door to the Nixes is a large “Lendoman” family, two Hyde families including Nancy and the children without Hiram, who may have moved to Forsyth, GA. Interestingly, Elizabeth Dyer, age 60, born NC is living by herself, and is most likely the mother of Sarah Dyer who married Jeremiah C. Hyde – so here you begin to see some of the connections to NC and possibly even further back.

    Hiram’s parents are thought to have been Noel Hide and Elizabeth Black, but census and land records get murky after about 1830, and if they were Baptist or Methodist, church records may not be available. Between 1790 and 1810, there were only about 5-10 families in 3 geographic areas in SC, so even the smallest amount of verifiable data about one single person from this time period would make a huge difference in sorting things out. The probate papers of Jacob Black (1839) suggest a connection between Jeremiah Hide, Jacob Hide, Charles Hide and “Reubin” Hide.

    We have not been able to trace this particular line back to the original immigrant. There’s a lot of information out there, but not all of it is accurate. Just to narrow the focus, there are a total of 5 Hide families in the 1790 census for SC. One spelled their name primarily “Hite” and another was geographically distant. So we are looking at three families, and their connection, if any, is unknown: Charles (b circa 1750), Stephen (also b circa 1750 in NC) and Comfort/Comford (b. circa 1750, go figure). Note that the “Hyde” spelling is sporadic in early records and does not appear in any SC censuses before 1830. If we can piece together the members of these three families, then we begin to break down brick walls for Austin Hyde, Ansel Hyde, the William Hyde who married Mary Bruner, and many others. Descendants of this line appear in the Hyde DNA Project under R M512.

    • I asked this question and them promptly moved on, following the next shiny thing, and not checking for a reply. And what a great reply it is. I thank you so much for taking the time. This helps tremendously.

      Terry

      • Terry, very glad to hear it! Two of our members are working on an article which touches briefly on the movements of this family and others, this will appear in the latest issue of our newsletter. Look for it this month! Also, and this goes out to everyone, there are two boxes underneath “Post Comment” that can be check marked at the bottom of the comment form. If you check these *before* hitting the post comment button, you’ll get an email notifying you of replies to your comment or new posts to the page. I’m off to finish up our listing for Humphrey Hide, which should be out in the next few days. —A

  • Dan,
    Thanks for creating this great clearinghouse on Hydes. I am not one myself (at least no research to date has found any), but my Baker line was closely related to, and interacted closely with, a Hyde family in New York state in the 1800s.
    My brick wall is with my own family, and I thought perhaps the Hyde cousins might provide a clue to opening that up. In the process I figured I’d add to the knowledge of your own members with the Hyde research I’ve done.
    On 3 Dec 1806 a fellow name Eri Hyde married Pamelia Keyes in Essex, VT. I would guess he was born in the early 1780s. (My connection arises with Pamelia’s younger sister, Elizabeth, who married Samuel Baker there almost exactly a year later.) The Keyes girls were daughters of Joseph Annis Keyes and Eleanor Wood. The Keyes family had deep roots in Bolton, MA, and migrated to NH and then to VT in the final decade or two of the 18th century.
    Eri and Pamelia Hyde had four children, all probably born in the Burlington, VT, area. They migrated to Rushford, in south central NY, in about 1830.
    One son, James (born 6 Apr 1814), settled in New Hudson, just south of Rushford and married Fannie Keyes (relation unknown). They had three children, including a son, Perry.
    Eri and Pamelia’s other known son, Harmon Hyde (born 28 Jul 1807) took up the watchmaker and jeweler’s trade, “apprenticing” in Buffalo and established himself in that business in Rushford for the rest of his 60 years. He married Tabitha Gilman and they had nine children, including 4 sons, but few grandchildren and quite possibly no living descendants. My ancestor, Harmon’s younger first cousin and son of Samuel Baker, followed in Harmon’s professional footsteps and also lived and worked with Harmon in Rushford for a time.

    The mystery is Eri’s roots, which just might contain a clue as to the Bakers’. I have been able to find some geographic parallels with Heman Hyde, a noted early Mormon from New York state, but no discovered relation. Heman, a son of James, who was son of Nehemiah, was of a Hyde family originally from Stratford, CT.

    There was also a Hyde family from Lee, MA, which moved west around the same time, one member of which was the Albert Hyde who founded the Mentholatum Company. Again, no discovered relation.

    If you or any of your readers or contributors have clues, I would be most grateful. And of course, I’ll be glad to share what else I have about these Hyde families.

    Thanks again!

    • Hi,

      You are in luck. We have a far amount of info on Eri Hyde.

      Eri Hyde b 1783, Poultney, VT, one of 8 children of James Hyde m Hannah Thatcher 3 Mar 1772. James is a direct descendant of Johnathan Hyde 1 (1626-1711). You can see this line at http://www.eg.bucknell.edu/~hyde/Hyde/Hyde%20Ancestors%20Long-with%20pics.pdf

      In the above document, Eri’s father James Hyde is James Hyde 5, son of Ebenezer Hyde4 and Mercy Thatcher. In 1771 or shortly there after, James Hyde5 and his brothers, Ebenezer,5 Lemuel5 and Timothy5 all move to Poultney, Vermont from Canterbury, CT.

      A lttile history, before 1771 this part of Vermont was held by Native Americans and no white settlers moved into the area. After the French and Indian War was over in 1763, the New Hampshire Crown Governor started selling tracts for new towns such as Poultney. Many people moved from Connecticut to “The Grants” later to be called Vermont including Ethan Allen of Green Mountain Boys fame. James Hyde’s brother Ebenezer Hyde (my ancestor) was a Lt. in Green Mountain Boys. Ethan Allen’s mother was Mary Baker Allen. Mary’s brother Remember Baker had a son Remember Baker. This Remember Baker, who was a first cousin, was a year older than Ethen Allen and a close friend and like a big brother to Ethan. Remember Baker was a key player in the Green Mountain Boys and the establishment of the country of Vermont. Few people know that Vermont was a separate country from about 1777 to 1791. Therefore, the Bakers were movers and shakers in Vermont in the late 1700s.

      Since Eri was born and raised in Poutney, VT, I would look for Bakers in History of Poultney [Vermont] by Joslin and Frisbie, originally printed in 1875. Book is available on line at https://books.google.com/books?id=lQWbXcCvZCQC&q=Samuel+Baker#v=snippet&q=Samuel%20Baker&f=false
      There is a record for Samuel Baker m Betsey Keyes 20 Dec 1807 in Essex, VT. This to us is a situation where you have to move forward, to the later censuses of Samuel and Betsey’s children, to confirm where both parents were born, then use places and ages to backtrack through census movements of Bakers and Keyes.

      Good luck in your hunt.

      Best regards,

      Dan C. Hyde

      • Dan,

        I can’t thank you enough. You certainly have some impressive resources. Eri Hyde has been an enigma for some years, and I had been unable to trace his roots.

        I’ve long ago done the research you suggest on the Baker side, including Remember, et. al., and — although suggestive — I haven’t been able to find anything with that family or in Poultney. The eastern CT link doesn’t support any other hypotheses either. I wonder, though, whether Eri’s siblings — where they settled and who they married — might provide a clue. (Or not! Maybe the connection was with the Keyes family alone, who have also been difficult to trace.) Might you have an available source of information for that?

        You may already have the information on Eri and Pamelia’s family, but if not, I’ll be glad to share the details of what I have been able to assemble if it can help you or other Hyde researchers.

        Thanks again!

  • Hi There all you wonderful Hydes,
    I am trying to trace my family lines however what i know is very little,
    My grandad passed away a few years ago and i know little about the people before him other than they were farmers in cheshire, and came to england from ireland during the potato fammine, my grandad was a wonderful man called Norman Hyde he got world records for tug of war, i was just wondering if anyone had any other helpful hints. many thanks in advance for any help you may be able to give
    Jodie x

    • Jodie, I would look at FreeBMD and FamilySearch.org and start with searches using Norman’s full name and/or middle initial, in conjunction with his wife’s name and both Cheshire and the Irish town where he was born. He’s in the Guinness Book of World Records, 22nd and 24th editions. Feel free to email me directly when you have more information and we’ll see if we can assist further.

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