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  • Hello, I am a descendant of John Weslie Hyde and am trying to find information about his family. He was born in South Carolina about 1927 died in Cobb County, Georgia about 1912. He was my 2nd Great grandfather. Do you have information about which Hyde line he descended from?

    Terry Gunn

  • Terry, that’s a challenging question to answer. Usually we reply offline but I’d like to see if anyone can add to what we currently know. John Wesley Hide/Hyde was born circa 1827 in most likely Greenville but possibly Spartanburg, SC in 1827. There were two John Hydes born in those areas that year, and both appear in the 1850 census in different states. John Wesley Hyde married Mary A. Duvall/Davall in GA after 1855.

    One John Hide appears in the 1850 census for Greenville, SC, living with Thomas Hide and his wife Mary. This is a census that often appears in family trees for John Wesley, and is the right birth year, birth place and first name John. But he’s a different John. There’s evidence to suggest that he is John B. Hide/Hyde, son of Thomas, and that he continued to live in Greenville through at least 1880.

    John W. Hyde is believed to be the son of Hiram Hyde (various spellings for him, including Harmon Hede in 1830 census; appears that given name might have been Reubin/Reuben Hiram Hide) and Nancy Lenderman. John Hyde appears in the 1850 census for Division 19, Coweta, GA, living with the Nix family (Emily Lenderman Nix was a cousin of Nancy). Next door to the Nixes is a large “Lendoman” family, two Hyde families including Nancy and the children without Hiram, who may have moved to Forsyth, GA. Interestingly, Elizabeth Dyer, age 60, born NC is living by herself, and is most likely the mother of Sarah Dyer who married Jeremiah C. Hyde – so here you begin to see some of the connections to NC and possibly even further back.

    Hiram’s parents are thought to have been Noel Hide and Elizabeth Black, but census and land records get murky after about 1830, and if they were Baptist or Methodist, church records may not be available. Between 1790 and 1810, there were only about 5-10 families in 3 geographic areas in SC, so even the smallest amount of verifiable data about one single person from this time period would make a huge difference in sorting things out. The probate papers of Jacob Black (1839) suggest a connection between Jeremiah Hide, Jacob Hide, Charles Hide and “Reubin” Hide.

    We have not been able to trace this particular line back to the original immigrant. There’s a lot of information out there, but not all of it is accurate. Just to narrow the focus, there are a total of 5 Hide families in the 1790 census for SC. One spelled their name primarily “Hite” and another was geographically distant. So we are looking at three families, and their connection, if any, is unknown: Charles (b circa 1750), Stephen (also b circa 1750 in NC) and Comfort/Comford (b. circa 1750, go figure). Note that the “Hyde” spelling is sporadic in early records and does not appear in any SC censuses before 1830. If we can piece together the members of these three families, then we begin to break down brick walls for Austin Hyde, Ansel Hyde, the William Hyde who married Mary Bruner, and many others. Descendants of this line appear in the Hyde DNA Project under R M512.

    • I asked this question and them promptly moved on, following the next shiny thing, and not checking for a reply. And what a great reply it is. I thank you so much for taking the time. This helps tremendously.

      Terry

      • Terry, very glad to hear it! Two of our members are working on an article which touches briefly on the movements of this family and others, this will appear in the latest issue of our newsletter. Look for it this month! Also, and this goes out to everyone, there are two boxes underneath “Post Comment” that can be check marked at the bottom of the comment form. If you check these *before* hitting the post comment button, you’ll get an email notifying you of replies to your comment or new posts to the page. I’m off to finish up our listing for Humphrey Hide, which should be out in the next few days. —A

  • Dan,
    Thanks for creating this great clearinghouse on Hydes. I am not one myself (at least no research to date has found any), but my Baker line was closely related to, and interacted closely with, a Hyde family in New York state in the 1800s.
    My brick wall is with my own family, and I thought perhaps the Hyde cousins might provide a clue to opening that up. In the process I figured I’d add to the knowledge of your own members with the Hyde research I’ve done.
    On 3 Dec 1806 a fellow name Eri Hyde married Pamelia Keyes in Essex, VT. I would guess he was born in the early 1780s. (My connection arises with Pamelia’s younger sister, Elizabeth, who married Samuel Baker there almost exactly a year later.) The Keyes girls were daughters of Joseph Annis Keyes and Eleanor Wood. The Keyes family had deep roots in Bolton, MA, and migrated to NH and then to VT in the final decade or two of the 18th century.
    Eri and Pamelia Hyde had four children, all probably born in the Burlington, VT, area. They migrated to Rushford, in south central NY, in about 1830.
    One son, James (born 6 Apr 1814), settled in New Hudson, just south of Rushford and married Fannie Keyes (relation unknown). They had three children, including a son, Perry.
    Eri and Pamelia’s other known son, Harmon Hyde (born 28 Jul 1807) took up the watchmaker and jeweler’s trade, “apprenticing” in Buffalo and established himself in that business in Rushford for the rest of his 60 years. He married Tabitha Gilman and they had nine children, including 4 sons, but few grandchildren and quite possibly no living descendants. My ancestor, Harmon’s younger first cousin and son of Samuel Baker, followed in Harmon’s professional footsteps and also lived and worked with Harmon in Rushford for a time.

    The mystery is Eri’s roots, which just might contain a clue as to the Bakers’. I have been able to find some geographic parallels with Heman Hyde, a noted early Mormon from New York state, but no discovered relation. Heman, a son of James, who was son of Nehemiah, was of a Hyde family originally from Stratford, CT.

    There was also a Hyde family from Lee, MA, which moved west around the same time, one member of which was the Albert Hyde who founded the Mentholatum Company. Again, no discovered relation.

    If you or any of your readers or contributors have clues, I would be most grateful. And of course, I’ll be glad to share what else I have about these Hyde families.

    Thanks again!

    • Hi,

      You are in luck. We have a far amount of info on Eri Hyde.

      Eri Hyde b 1783, Poultney, VT, one of 8 children of James Hyde m Hannah Thatcher 3 Mar 1772. James is a direct descendant of Johnathan Hyde 1 (1626-1711). You can see this line at http://www.eg.bucknell.edu/~hyde/Hyde/Hyde%20Ancestors%20Long-with%20pics.pdf

      In the above document, Eri’s father James Hyde is James Hyde 5, son of Ebenezer Hyde4 and Mercy Thatcher. In 1771 or shortly there after, James Hyde5 and his brothers, Ebenezer,5 Lemuel5 and Timothy5 all move to Poultney, Vermont from Canterbury, CT.

      A lttile history, before 1771 this part of Vermont was held by Native Americans and no white settlers moved into the area. After the French and Indian War was over in 1763, the New Hampshire Crown Governor started selling tracts for new towns such as Poultney. Many people moved from Connecticut to “The Grants” later to be called Vermont including Ethan Allen of Green Mountain Boys fame. James Hyde’s brother Ebenezer Hyde (my ancestor) was a Lt. in Green Mountain Boys. Ethan Allen’s mother was Mary Baker Allen. Mary’s brother Remember Baker had a son Remember Baker. This Remember Baker, who was a first cousin, was a year older than Ethen Allen and a close friend and like a big brother to Ethan. Remember Baker was a key player in the Green Mountain Boys and the establishment of the country of Vermont. Few people know that Vermont was a separate country from about 1777 to 1791. Therefore, the Bakers were movers and shakers in Vermont in the late 1700s.

      Since Eri was born and raised in Poutney, VT, I would look for Bakers in History of Poultney [Vermont] by Joslin and Frisbie, originally printed in 1875. Book is available on line at https://books.google.com/books?id=lQWbXcCvZCQC&q=Samuel+Baker#v=snippet&q=Samuel%20Baker&f=false
      There is a record for Samuel Baker m Betsey Keyes 20 Dec 1807 in Essex, VT. This to us is a situation where you have to move forward, to the later censuses of Samuel and Betsey’s children, to confirm where both parents were born, then use places and ages to backtrack through census movements of Bakers and Keyes.

      Good luck in your hunt.

      Best regards,

      Dan C. Hyde

      • Dan,

        I can’t thank you enough. You certainly have some impressive resources. Eri Hyde has been an enigma for some years, and I had been unable to trace his roots.

        I’ve long ago done the research you suggest on the Baker side, including Remember, et. al., and — although suggestive — I haven’t been able to find anything with that family or in Poultney. The eastern CT link doesn’t support any other hypotheses either. I wonder, though, whether Eri’s siblings — where they settled and who they married — might provide a clue. (Or not! Maybe the connection was with the Keyes family alone, who have also been difficult to trace.) Might you have an available source of information for that?

        You may already have the information on Eri and Pamelia’s family, but if not, I’ll be glad to share the details of what I have been able to assemble if it can help you or other Hyde researchers.

        Thanks again!

  • Hi There all you wonderful Hydes,
    I am trying to trace my family lines however what i know is very little,
    My grandad passed away a few years ago and i know little about the people before him other than they were farmers in cheshire, and came to england from ireland during the potato fammine, my grandad was a wonderful man called Norman Hyde he got world records for tug of war, i was just wondering if anyone had any other helpful hints. many thanks in advance for any help you may be able to give
    Jodie x

    • Jodie, I would look at FreeBMD and FamilySearch.org and start with searches using Norman’s full name and/or middle initial, in conjunction with his wife’s name and both Cheshire and the Irish town where he was born. He’s in the Guinness Book of World Records, 22nd and 24th editions. Feel free to email me directly when you have more information and we’ll see if we can assist further.

  • Do you have any information relative to Austin Hyde (Hide) who I believe lived in Hall County Georgia but was most likely born in Pendleton, South Carolina in we think 1790, He may have been the father of William Christopher Hyde who was born in Hall County Georgia in 1847.

  • Austin Hide married a widow in Pendleton but was not born there. He was the father of William Christopher Hyde who was born in Hall County in 1828. We’re processing information that Leah Latimer obtained on her visit to the GA Archives. More on that soon.

  • So I have a mystery “Hyde”! He is my 3rd great grandfather and the very first I can find him is the 1830 Federal Census in Jackson, Washington Co NY With his name spelled Isram)between the ages of 30-40. I continue to find him there through the 1860 census, married to Mary Elizabeth Robertson. I believe he went to live with a married daughter after Mary died in 1865, bc that’s where he is in the 1870 census. Then zip-zero! No death info, nothing on find a grave. And I’ve looked on-line at the “Hyde” genealogy and can not find an “Iram Hyde” born in NH in the late 1790’s. Any guesses as to where he fits in? Parents, siblings….anything! OH! The other interesting thing….one state census says they had 7 children. So far I have found just 3 daughters….no SONS (for certain anyway!)

    • June – Let’s start with what can be confirmed, and I know you’ve done much of this already. Iram Hyde did not marry Rachel Wellman or Zylpha Curtis, those were other men named Hiram Hyde. Coila Church records from NY State Library (Presbyterian, Cambridge, NY) show that on 25 Jan 1821, Iram Hyde and Mary Robertson, both of Jackson, Washington County, NY, were married by Rev Alexander Bullions. This is the same, somewhat controversial minister, born in Scotland, who later married Iram and Mary’s daughter Elizabeth Hyde to Scotsman David Skellie on 3 March 1842. One of their children was named Iram Hyde Skellie, the only other instance of that forename spelling occurring within a Hyde family that I’m able to find in the US.
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      The forename “Iram” as it is spelled was not a common name in the time period, but unfortunately it was not unusual *enough* that we can draw any conclusions from it. There was an Iram Woods born 1800 in Deering, Hillsboro, NH, also a John Iram Fassett born 1785 Winchester, Cheshire, NH. The name is misspelled often enough that searches including variants of Iram (Hiram, Isham, Isam, etc. as well as Hyde/Hide) are recommended. If you find a legal document confirming a middle initial or middle name, that will be especially helpful. For Iram to have been “of Jackson” by Jan 1820, he ought to be there in the 1820 census, but not as a head of household, most likely a farm hand, possibly a blacksmith. There are no Hide/Hyde heads of household in the vicinity of Cambridge or Jackson in Fed census 1820. The 1845 state census for Washington County did not survive, but 1825 and 1835 are available, just not online. Everything from 1855 onwards is available online. It’s not possible to link Iram Hyde, born in NH circa 1798, to any particular Hyde family without more information. His assertion of birth in NH in 1798 is very consistent (2 daughters conflicting death rec birthplace for him appears to be guesswork on the part of those supplying info, everything else is consistent). The local historical society page is here https://www.wchs-ny.org/index.php. You may want to contact the historians in Jackson and Cambridge to see if there are any further clues about Iram’s family https://www.wchs-ny.org/historians.php  
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      Mary’s father William Robertson, bought land in Cambridge in 1768 and this became part of Jackson, essentially on the border of both towns. Most of the early settlers came from Scotland, including this Presbyterian Robertson family. When William died, it looks as though Mary inherited two parcels, one of which she and Iram lived on and Mary’s part of the other they sold to one or more of her siblings, all of whom are listed in these documents. Genealogy for this branch of the Robertson family, Scotland to Washington County, NY, is very straightforward because of extensive land and will records.  https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:C7PH-2F2Mhttps://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QS7-99WC-KLYK?i=266&cc=2078654&cat=226429
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      From Presbyterian Church records 1701-1970 Mary Hyde is in the roll of Communicants #39 on 10 Aug 1829. Her husband does not appear in Presbyterian church records other than their marriage record. From records, Woodlands Cemetery in Cambridge NY: Hyde, Mary, b. 1796, d. 1865, sp. Fran (sic) Hyde, par: Wm. Robertson, Elizabeth Fleming, Sec. B 169. We’d need to see the original record to be sure, but I don’t think “Fran” is an abbreviation for Francis but probably a misreading of “Iram”. In any event, he is not buried with her. He appears on the 1870 census in the household of youngest daughter Christiana. Indiana wasn’t officially recording death records at the time, so it’s possible that something might have appeared in a local newspaper or there may have been some mention in the records of Meadow Lake Church of Wolcott. There is a small cemetery behind the church, although this wouldn’t necessarily fit unless Iram embraced Presbyterianism. Christiana herself is buried in Meadow Lake Cemetery, which appears to be very large and only about 50% of the burials there appear online, so that’s another possibility.
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      There are fairly extensive paper trails on the three daughters so I’ll just mention that daughter Elizabeth Robertson Hyde (a viewable photo of her appears on Ancestry) married David Skellie. Margaret Hyde married Alfred Clark, eight children, 4 living by 1880, youngest is Libby Clark on 1880 census (she is mis-listed as “Mine Clark” because of a difficult-to-read Evangelical Lutheran marriage record (dataset 1781 – 1969). What it really says is that in 1894, Libby Clark, of Mina, Chautauqua, age 22, parents Alfred Clark and Margaret Hyde, married Joshua A LaDue of Brocton, NY, age 29, parents Uriah Slayton LaDue and Mary Jane Morgan, names filled in from Buffalo church records. Libby most likely died in childbirth, as Joshua LaDue married Catherine Mason in 1897). Iram and Mary’s youngest daughter Christiana Hyde married Oliver Wilson and a good writeup of them appears in the book “Counties of White and Pulaski, Indiana, Historical and Biographical” by Weston Arthur Goodspeed: https://books.google.com/books?id=8i8VAAAAYAAJ&printsec=frontcover#v=onepage&q=hyde&f=false
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      You mention that one of the state censuses shows that Iram and Mary had 7 children (I don’t know how the question was phrased, but early child mortality rates were high). The censuses covering these years are consistent, three daughters and two sons, so any other children would have died quite young. We can’t trace the sons, although there’s a good chance that you’ll be able to find something at the historical society that will tie this family together, so I will mention that there are two likely candidates. The youngest, William Robertson Hyde, was born in Washington County in 1828 and possibly named after his paternal grandfather. He married Lucy Matilda Warner (who went by Matilda as her mother’s name was also Lucy) around 1850 in Troy, Rensselaer, NY. Their eldest daughter was named Mary Elizabeth Hyde. I stress that there is no information online that ties William Robertson Hyde directly with Iram and Mary, simply that existing information supports the possibility, as other Washington County Hyde families were reviewed as part of the process.  
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      Iram and Mary’s eldest son may have been Joseph Hyde, whom Mary may have been pregnant with when she and Iram married. There were several other Hyde families in Washington County, and no shortage of men named Joseph or Josephus Hyde. So it’s possible that Joseph was of a different Hyde family and just happened to live very close to Iram and Mary. The other local Hyde families are more extensively researched and again, don’t appear to have a Joseph born circa 1821. We see him as a blacksmith in the 1849 Gazetteer, in an area very close to where Iram and Mary lived, and in the 1850 census married to Nancy with children William age 5 and Jane age 1, with presumably her mother, Jane Conner, and brother William Conner.
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      Here’s where it gets interesting: there are two Joseph Hydes in the 1850 census, one in Jackson and one in Troy, Rensselaer, NY. The Troy census was taken a few months later than the Jackson one. There’s only one Joseph in the 1855 state census. At first I dismissed the idea that both Josephs might be the same person, as first names of family members are different. Joseph of Troy’s wife is Martha Ann Conner, her mother is Margaret Conner. Son William is age 5 born in PA. Both Martha and her mother are listed as born in Dutchess County, NY. I located them in earlier censuses and part of the extended family lived in PA, where son William is said to have been born. There’s no question that this Colonel Joseph Hyde of Rensselaer was born in Washington County and lived on a farm there until age 17 or 19, trained as a blacksmith, moved to Troy, married Martha Ann at some point, not clear if first or second wife, joined the army and died in Sawtelle, Los Angeles CA in 1900. There’s a great deal of information out there about him, including a brief autobiography. Unfortunately, it doesn’t answer the question of whether he and Joseph Hyde, blacksmith of Washington County married to Nancy, are one and the same. The New York Genealogical and Biographical Society has guides in their store for each of the counties, including Washington, that give concise outlines of what resources are available and where they can be found. Look for Nancy and other Conners, and check probate records at the Surrogate’s Court. https://www.newyorkfamilyhistory.org/   

  • I have an ancestor who is the apparent uncle of my great grandmother Lucina Tarrant (1845-1923), who married Robert Randall Story Munson (1841-1917). His name was Charles S. Hyde; the little I know of him is that he was born about 1821, was a sailor on the ‘USSS Brooklyn’ during the Battle of Mobile Bay, and was the half-brother of John Tarrant (abt. 1820-1864), owner of a prominent pharmaceutical firm. I would like to find out whether Tarrant’s wife Lucina was the sister (or half-sister) of Charles S. Hyde, and who their parents might be. My name is Charles Hyde Smith; I was named after my grandfather Charles Hyde Munson, who in turn was very likely named after Charles S. Hyde, likely his great uncle (or half-uncle). –CHS

  • Charles –

    (For anyone waiting on Richard the Pirate or Humphrey, I have things coming in about a week or two.)
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    There’s no way to connect the Tarrants and Hydes with other similarly named families without more information. Here are some suggestions:
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    1. James and John Tarrant were said to be brothers. Documentation suggests but does not prove that they came over from England. Tarrant is a fairly common name, and without specific birth or christening dates, they can’t be linked to any other Tarrant families in England, Ireland or New York. James Tarrant apparently died unmarried and childless (so who are the people with him in the 1840 census in ward 3, if this is correct James?) and the pharmacy was taken over by younger brother John. I see the obits for James, John and Lucina, but I’m not able to associate them with any particular religion or church. If you can, try to find out more about their religious affiliations so we can figure out which church records to search. John was married twice, the first time possibly in NYC Ward 3 and the second time possibly in Flushing. Confirmed birth or baptism dates for any of these people, including Charles S Hyde, would be a game-changer.
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    2. Contact the Greenwood Cemetery in Brooklyn https://www.green-wood.com/greenealogy/ and get all the names, dates and other information for everyone buried in lot 6136 section 77. As far as I can tell, all of lot 6136 section 77 are related. Find out who initially purchased the section and get as much information as you can, old addresses, you name it. Lucina’s mother or grandmother, Mary A Hyde, is buried there. We know of this relationship because of the 1855 NY state census where she’s living with John and Lucina’s daughter, Lucina Munson. At Greenwood, there’s also a “Seaman Hyde” buried. There’s no date of birth, so we don’t know what his relationship to Mary and Lucina might be. Seaman is an old Long Island surname, but I’m not able to locate any type of relationship between the Hyde and Seaman families in an appropriate time period. There were Hide/Hydes in Long Island (around 1775ish there was a William Hide who married Clarina Lucina Brass/Bross, for example). There is a website specifically for Long Island genealogy, but since it appears to be a paid site, I’d gather as much information as you can prior to subscribing. Keep in mind, there might not be any connection to Long Island Hydes.
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    3. Do you know Charles S Hyde’s middle name, any other family members besides his sister/half-sister, confirmed year of birth, where he lived, or where he might have been buried? Where is he referenced in estate docs? I glanced online at the docs but didn’t see any reference to him. The Charles S Hyde born 1821 Civil War record shows him signing up in Oswego, quite some distance from the city. There are about a dozen or so Charles Hydes who could fit the bill, so need more info.

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